TALK TO ME !!!!!!!!!!

I think Eminem has that same appeal just like Jay-Z, very subtle and not preachy with their lyrics, but very on point with their topics that resonates with everyone in society.

I think most of that is because Eminem has a loyal fan base and that he puts out quality music consistently. If you combine that with the fact that he’s been missing for a minute, you’re going to get GREAT record sales. I also know you didn’t want to factor race into this but lets be honest, Eminem is basically the only legitimate white rapper/hip hop artist out. He has undeniable talent so white people (who buy most of the music) will always go hard for him because he represents. This is all my opinion though.

I agree 100%. On follow up album they usually try to go more pop in order to make more money. And it ends up sounding like trash. I feel like the artist leaves the urban fans for the white fans. Which is sad.

Eminem is gonna always have his fan base and they will ALWAYS support his projects….he created a niche and although we like to say its not about race, the fact is that eminem is in a category all by himself. No other rapper sounds like him or looks like him. Drake’s initial buzz was because he brought something different to the table (his mistake was giving away too much free music and letting his initial buzz cool off). I think Em could’ve dropped almost any single and still be trending towards decent sales.

Much Luv

J Jamar

I think it cuz Em is sooo real and u feel/see the hunger in him! Personally I like the Em, back in the *Cleaning out my Closet* and *Stan* days. After that I wasn’t feeling him too much. I like his new single *Im not Afraid* but its not something I have to have on my ipod! Crossing over helps a lot in getting big numbers. It’s been A lot of Artist that have let me down on their follow up albums. I love albums with stories, and lyrics that make u think, something that makes u dance. I dont want to hear an album thrown together.

Youre right JD BUT, you gotta take into consideration that most of his fans are white. White people actually buy ALBUMS. Black people Boot-leg the shit out of their favorite artist. (with the exception of Black Women) All women weather you’re White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, etc… would actually spend hard earned money for a Trey Songs/Usher/Eminem/Tim Mcgraw/Carrie Underwood/Justin Beiber/etc CD but wouldn’t mind buying a new Soulja Boy record from the beauty salon. That’s why I think its always a good Idea to make music uplifting women. Look at what happened to B.O.B. That track with Bruno Mars is still in heavy rotation.

I agree with you bruh, 75% (more like 85%) don’t appeal to their core fan base. Me personally I don’t fuck with Em because he is one of the reasons half the rappers come out the way they do with this I gotta have a beef to sale a record ass bullshit.

Where do I start with who let me down? My list is long but I’ll tell u one that hurt the most. John Legend!!!! OMG I put so many of my friends on to him before his first album came out. 2nd album came out and I was like WTF is this shit. 3rd album was a little better but still not as good. I’m just about done with him now.

AYe JD you know I’m gone shoot the shit as best I can on this topic. BTW great topic. I think that Eminem is a talented wordsmith no doubt but I don’t fuck with his music like his fans…He has a core group of fans like Elvis had and still has…you can not count out race in this discussion. It is what it is in regards to a cat that just took the reigns of hip-hop music when he came out. My issue is that his content has no range or rather level of versatility. What heard on the first album is what you get over and over and over on the next albums. The shit don’t move me to much. He is somehat overrate IMO but I’ll get beat down by the cock eaters who co-sign him because he’s still a novelty rapper…a rare breed…a modern day Elvis…so with all due respect I think the guy is talented but lacks the change up pitch. But if the shit is accepted by his fans then i say congrats. Numbers don’t lie.

I’ve never owned an Em album, never bought a single but after hearing I’m Not Afraid, I will be buying this album. As far as artists letting me down with follow up albums…Mariah is on that list, John Mayer, Usher, Brandy. I still want my 9.99 back for that shit Mayer put out!!! I only liked the first single…$10 for one dayum song!!! smmfdh Janet, Mike, and Mary are the only artists I’ve liked every album from.

How many artists? Lawd the list is toooo long. Remember when it was called the second album jinks, then second turned into a third, then a fourth. And then finally you as a fan just stop buying their music period. There are very few artist now I literally track from one album to the next. One artist in particular I’ve followed seemingly forever, and somewhere this artist kinda lost touch with the core audience they started with. And now for the last couple of albums it appears this artist has been trying to get back to his/her roots but again somehow the jewels that are on these albums never get released as singles to radio so nobody knows. *sigh* Does that mean he/she fell of or is it deeper than that?

So JD at what level in an artists career do they get to say which songs should be released to the public? Do independent artist get more say so? What kind of pressure does the label put on artists to make them risk losing their fan base?

LOL! I agreed with AnitaLTL! I stop listening to Usher since Confessions, not because his music is not good but he let me down! The beautiful thing is that he pick up or draw in the new and younger audience! (Saying I m 26)! GREAT MOVE USHER! Em picked up and set up his fans on Marshall Matters LP (his 3rd studio album) sold more than 18 million…smh don’t be suprised for his 600K his first week this year! Like Drake, Wayne and Kanye, stir up the industry, stir up the audience, hit them with materials that they weren’t ready for, controversy sells! Take notes RAPPERS, PLAN YOUR GAME LIKE YOU RUNNING A MEDIA COMPANY! KEEP IT INTERESTING AND MOVING!
Will J
Record Producer/Songwriter
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http://www.hibreedmusicgroup.com

true he’s giving the fans what they want, hatred, disses and fool things, and even use other artists just for publicity, pity that at some areas he became popular not because he’s that talented but because he dissed on other artists and that’s what other fans want, to follow his new words of hatred not just because he’s fool of talents, can’t say any more good words..

not only what people want for a moment but what they need, because what they need will last longer… hmm.. but if possible, both what they want and what they need, like Mariah’s music, there are maybe some not good comments but lambs just can’t resist her, they keep on comin back because she has given them not only what they want but what they need, something that dig deeper into their hearts, *wink* 🙂

Yo JD I think it’s just alot of artist are falling off i mean like when the (new Boyz) came out their were Hot To Most! & Now I Guess They Aint Got Nothing Else To Be (JERKS) About! haha See Now Plies Heys Doing It The Right Way I Think Come On Hes Are REady put out his 4th album! Plies Knows Wat Hes Doing!

First I want to say JD I respect you and all that you do. Dondria is going to be DOPE. You know talent. You should do an reality show. You know the business and you are not afraid of change. Now, the industry has become gimmicks that why so many artist are falling off. Eminem is a lyricist. He writes. Everybody think that they are JayZ and Biggie with “I don’t write nothing down”. Those guys are quick thinkers. Some people need to sit down and think about what they really want to say. I think Em is a perfect example of that. He literally write some thought provoking lyrics. This is why DRAKE is successful. Because the industry is mess up, some vets don’t know what to do. They want to appeal to the teens, but thats not possible. You have to make mature music now. I call JayZ Grown Up/Mature Hip-Hop. Em give me what I wanted inspirational lyrics that take me back to the Eminem Show and 8 mile soundtrack. Monica gave me classic 90’s music. Real Music is coming back like Light-skin Guys.

Wow where do I start my list of artist is tooooooooooooo damn long I would be typing for days for real!
I can’t tell you the one that hurt me the most is Alicia keys oh my I went outside and threw that shit so far lol I did the same with Mariah’s MOAIA I really want my 14.05 back for that shit after EOMM I was dissapointed with her E=MC2 was okay brandy is another who follow up was like WTF oh and R.Kelly, Jay-Z and oh the worst beyonce all I had to do was read the list of the song names and I put back on the shelf and walked away I later took my sister cd lol and listened to it And gave it right back I couldn’t believe the crap I was listening to only songs I liked was single ladies video phone and sweet dreams other that that epic FAIL the only four I can sa

Its because he’s already set a standard and he truly hasn’t had any wack albums so people will continue to buy his music. Also, people know he is creative and want to hear what crazy sick shit he’e gonna come up with

Eminem’s first 3 albums are ‘classics’ or close. this helped him gain a large fan base that is very loyal. i mean go to any article that mentions eminem and see how many replies there are on that b*tch. when you are buying an eminem album you know its going to be of a certain quality. also due to his content he has a broader fan base than say gucci mane or other artists who only appeal to a small part of the market.

Although I have liked a lot of hip hop songs out there, I don’t buy too many of them because I really cannot relate to the artists and I don’t buy stuff I can’t listen to in front of children. However, I did love TI’s last cd before the prison thing. So, I can’t speak on Eminem (even though I do like some of his music).

I do buy a lot of urban/r&b/soul/jazz, etc. I was very disappointed with Usher’s last two cds. The previous cd (before his latest) didn’t have enough dance tracks for me to get excited and this latest one is too nasty for me on some tracks. I love OMG and a couple of other club/dance tracks, but I was totally turned off by the threesome Nicki Minaj track and the video is spooky to me–yuck! I hate this whole nasty movement. I don’t even understand why Usher has to be like this–he can sing and dance and it is not necessary. I did not mind Beyonce’s last cd. It had some good songs on it. I can’t complain really–it was typical Beyonce tracks.

A lot of people hated the latest Chris Brown cd but I liked it (maybe the timing was off due to the Rihanna mess), but I don’t think it was as great as the first two cds. I am just a fan of his anyway. I completely HATED Alicia Keys’ new cd. She is just sloppy throughout the cd–bad notes and boring melodies as heck. I refused to buy Rihanna’s cd because she is just getting too dark for my taste plus she just can’t sing and seems to fabricated.–boring as heck in concert. She should just model. Mariah Carey’s cd was boring too. I liked a couple of tracks but I think the book with all of the ads she put in it was more interesting than the music. I still love her as an artist though. I was also very disappointed in Ledisi’s second cd–maybe three songs on there were worth listening to over again.

I actually liked Monica’s cd. I have usually only liked one or two songs on her previous cds. I loved Jill Scott’s last cd the most of all her cds–very sensual and emotional–just some good singin’ and writin’.

I just like for people to sing and dance their butts off. I don’t need all that fabricated b.s. record companies manufacture–image, I’m so rich boasting, stripper booty-shakin’, computerized vocals and crap. I really just want to see some talent (I dont care how fat or ugly they are, but I know that is not how the business works). Maybe that is why the business is hurting (besides the digital downloading issues).

@Will J Wow ! I heard it on my twitter! Beat dope! JD shud get it in! Instruments are sick!

LOL! Thanks NonstopLTL! Appreciate it homy!

Will J
Record Producer/Songwriter
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http://www.twitter.com/willjspirit

I think the comment you made about giving the listener what they want to hear helps a lot on record sales. Another reason I would believe his pacing looks better than other artist is that Eminem has branded himself and proved he can deliver a good product. In other words, the work he has done in the past help with the current album he is releasing. I tend to buy albums once an artist has shown me they can deliver great albums which is not so much the singles but the album cuts. The single pulls you in and the album cuts should motivate you to buy the album. Eminem has created a huge fan base and his music doesn’t sound like the majority of the music you hear on the radio. He does “him” and doesn’t follow trends musically and a fan can appreciate that.

As far as new albums, I don;t even know where to begin. I myself was born in 83 but have a passion for hip hop. When I refer to hip hop that I have a passion for, I am referring to the 80’s and 90’s. Sometimes it is very difficult for me to stay tuned in to my local hip hop stations in Los Angeles.

I can rant and rave on this subject forever so I will stop myself before I go on and on.

Signing off…

Mike

I think it is a race thing anyways! But in a good way tho! a “Good” “White ” “Rapper”! Anyways, shouts out to Will J Best Producer out of MIAMI, producing sick music! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDyakLhYFCM <<<<< Perfectfor them Ocean Boyz!

Wow….Hot Beat! FUX wit WILL J! DOPE DOPE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDyakLhYFCM

This track for the Ocean’s 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDyakLhYFCM ! HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT HOT! I got you WIll J! We know you’re the best! I see you in the SO SO DEF ROSTER along with Brian and dem! Get out of Flawda! LOL LOL LOL!

Personally… I think its because with relapse… he let a lot of people down… were used to eminem coming with a few different styles and for the most part… he stuck to those annoying ass accents. He admitted in his single that he wasnt going to do that… Which gave all of us hope… that he was going to release a cd with the more intellectual style that he has. So I agree with JD, we were sick of that annoying ass voice he did the entire relapse CD… so.. he gave us a cd and told us from that gate… he wasnt going to do that this cd… just my oppinion 🙂

I think Eminem is getting these sales because of who he established himself to be. He has very strong qualities as an artist and he knows how to deliver what they want. He also has by far one of the most profound rags to riches stories to date. Marketing wise, it’s the same as why more people buy Heinz ketchup before they buy Hunts ketchup or Taco Bell over Pee wee’s taco stand. These are loyal fans. Artist with that kind of fan base can pull of record cd sales while others have to sale online and settle for a less profitable result. Finally, I think people want to see him prosper. CD’s are hard to sell now-a-days especially because of the internet.

First of for all those who say race has anything to do with it, STFU!! It doesn’t. No one says anything about race when Robin Thicke is singing or when Jon.B was in. No one cared about race when Jin was hot on 106 freestyle friday or when they were bumping MC Serch or when Vanilla Ice won his grammy. What about when ya listen to cypress hill? Race doesn’t have anything to do with it, if it did, every rapper would be broke because we know mostly whites buy these hip hop records. You see Jay and 50 in London in a sold out crowd performing when the crowd is 80% white. No one says anything about race then.

Well Em is just a dope artist. He isn’t doing the new bullshit which is make a single and peform that at thirty clubs for 8 or 10 grand a show. I hate it when rappers do that dumb shit. Check this, if wocka flocka or however you spell tha bum ass name, released an album, how many of ya would go buy it?… I don’t you would. Reason? He has no substance to his music. The same with bow wow now. Dude was nice with JD. His albums appealed to his fan base. Notice I said ALBUM not just a hit record. His ALBUMS had substance and related to his fan base but when you have to link up wo soulja boy to make a HIT you know your album aint gone be shit. Sorry Bow, gotta keep it real here. The reason why EM is going to sell is because he hasn’t sold out. He droped an album, eh, maybe it was a dud but he knew it but he didn’t sell out to make a hit or money.
Real artist like Jay, EMINEM, Nas, Fab, Andre 300, T.I. (he falling off in my opinion) and Luda will do great on the charts and sales because their music has substance to it, not that bullshit like “marco Polo”, “Swag surfn” and so on. Fuck a party song, give me real shit to vibe to.

Also we wating on that video for “Close your eyes”
Real music is more than hip-hop. Ask B.Cox, J.D., Johnta, Jay, Drake (I’m still not a fan but I respect dude!! He killing shit right now), and every real MUSICIAN!!

Will J Best Producer Ever! Beautiful beat, I can see my Ocean BOYZ on it! JD and JOHNTA! Damn I like the hook tho…. the dance vibe, sound like some MJ piece! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDyakLhYFCM !

JD, Will J is Great, I just heard his youtubes and myspaces, he can be another successful one like Brian! You’re the man that brings out talents!

BRONX IN DA HOUSE
MARBLE HILL STAND UP!

c’mon will j!! dont post your music on here in a discussion because it has nothing to do about what we are talking about. its kinda disrespectful.

AnitaLTL. & Will J I Co-sign!!!

Idk how the hell I forgot about Usher & Mariah…..Confessions is in my top 3 fav albums of ALL TIME…..how do u go on a rampage about marrying home chick then release a song called Love in this club?? Trading Places shouldve been the lead single, & I aint gonna get into Moving mountains….& even with Raymond V Raymond…..Dude lost me with Lil Freak….& other than the 1 Song that album dissappointed AGAIN….. I won’t be buying his next album

I have never and will never buy anything that boi creates, and the fact that he is selling so much shuld be a cause of concern because that venom is entering into a world that is already toxic and making it worse, like MJ said great artist don’t diss other artist…… so if your whole being is based on that you are not great and I only listen to great artist, who spread love and happiness what the world need.

@Pinky: THE FUCK IS YOU ON?

honestly artists need to go back to the days of tupac, michael jackson, janet jackson, monica from the 90s, TLC, B2M, the 90s brandy, all that 90s music. im tried of hearing quck money makers for rap like soulja boy most of his music is quickies but i must admit some of it is okay. artists need to stop thinking about the money that will be filling their pockets and think about th essence and quality of music they are putting out.

I WILL NEVER BUY EMINEM LIKE I SAID BEFORE HE IS SO DISRESPECTFUL. YOU DNT FUCK WITH THE GREATS LIKE MJ!

well JD, its true on the second part of your ?stion that a lot of artists disappoint on their follow up efforts because of what ever reason and that really sucks because what we bought into has been changed and now we have to adjust to a different growth and eventually we end up confused and dont know what our artist stand for anymore so we essentially get confused and leave em alone to figure out what they wanna do with their life. lol. as far as eminem goes, he’s doing exactly what you said, he understands his audience and gives them him but still in a fashion that they expect. so he is more stable and consistent. no matter what his content, good or bad, at least we can expect from him what he gives to us so the core followers are not disappointed. thus giving him a financial reward for giving them what they want. later yall.

I didn’t think Em would bring in big numbers with this album it just seem a lil OFF to me I.M.O but I was never a big fan of his anyway..His music is…(stumbling 2 find tha correct words) OK! anywho lets talk about tha artist who’s had tha WTF moment ( USHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Ima need him 2 try that again because that BS he’s putting out is REDIC! if i buy your album and i’m skipping most of tha songs on it, imma need you 2 reup! somebody please tell me what that neggro was thinking?! WAIT he wasn’t smfh and moving on!

OK!!!!!!!! I keep seeing race on here as a factor. Let me first say that when an artist gives there fans what they want, Consumers will support. Now on race! IT DON’T MATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It appears to be a stigma nowadays but marketing is a must. If your an artist and have a brand that is only seen in the US I don’t see how you would think Ur record sales would not suffer. Afraid to take singing lessons because you believe your good enough (Ur Stupid; Be better than the rest). “Acting classes are only for actors” (Ur stupid again, watch your Interview tapes; U see yourself figitting and not knowing where the camera is. “I don’t need speech classes” (U sounded very stupid and unprofessional on your last radio interview).

Em does well because his Brand is heard and appreciated;which is targeted all over the world. When Ur following is that large and u consistently give your fans what they are missing out of the current state of horrible Rap, Pop and even R&B music; Ur numbers will show.

Consumers want to feel as if there artist are tangible, charming, loving, humble and deep down like them. Consumers must relate as well as enjoy Ur music. If you put out an album and 2 out of the ridiculous 10 tracks u put on Ur album, why should I support u, or Ur STUPID ass label. Be real with yourselves Record Execs! If it came down to Ur last few dollars would u buy this new record or a sandwich? A consumer should never get sick of your artist. They should only attempt to get closer. Branding is so Important, And with average music; you are wasting money and listeners time.

Invest time in making quality music, Or you will forever remain in the 1990’s mind frame waiting on something to hit. While Ur fans spend there last dollars on EM and a new “Iphone” and “IPad” (That could have had Ur new release on it); and still continue to use Lime wire for your upcoming releases.

God bless,
@charmdaproducer Ur favorite Artist Developer.
(JD you need to so put me on staff, LOL; had to do it)

@Olu
we can go back and grab that flava and vibe from the 90s. motown did a great job training its artists. youre right nowadays you dont need a record deal in order to make it. its annoying because artist need to earn a record deal and stop being handed one because they make one hit wonders like jerk or stanky leg. most artists today NEED TALENT and they NEED TO LISTEN TO THEIR FANS. im so tired of artists giving us junk and expecting a pat on the back for it. NO YOU GIVE ME JUNK IMMA SLAP YOU!

I agree with you 100% because we are the people that buy or download it so why not ask us? I know It may not seem like we don’t want to do it but we do. That’s what make us fans happy about the artist. Like Khleo_t was on ustream asking for idea’s for his mixtape and he got a whole new idea from his fans. And with the choice he made with us the thing got to 100,000 downloads in the next couple of days. Now I’m not saying you have to get on ustream and do that what I’m saying is that you have to give us what we want. And if we don’t get it then you won’t have that many sells.

Dont forget the lyrics that M. has from the beginning where always different. You name its pils, ex-girl friend etc. he took it to a nother level. Everybody is curios what he was going to bring. He’s a good artist who knows what to bring. its also the people you have in your team (marketing strategy)

Look @ drake i think has is making use of the same strategy that lil wayne did.
First the singels, some collabo , album, know a documentary (some people could see more of himself) think about it and tell me if i’m wrong ?

What’s up with everyone talking bad about Usher’s album? Look the shit aint his best work but damn it aint that bad. He got some songs on there like “pro lover” “make love tonight” “okay” and “omg” Ya can’t sy those songs arent’ hot, plus the other singles he has out. I do think he should have gotten with JD for at least 5 songs. Look at conffensions, hell, “you make me wanna”, and “nice and slow” is crazy nice to this day!!! “Raymond vs Raymond” isn’t a bad album, it just didn’t match up to Conffenssions. “Her I stand didn’t either.”

@Alesia Ervin: I think J.D. has that Barry Gordy and Q Jones mentality. I think he runs his operation almost like the Motown era. He’s been working with Dondria now for at least three years if I’m not mistaken and she’s just now about drop her album. Johnta has been down since like 05 04 maybe longer and his album is about to drop. J.D. I think just signed about three other cats and I bet you won’t hear anything from them until the time is right. Thats how it should be. Not no “man that record hot, lets drop this album” then come out and be a fucking failure like Da band, or Lil Waynes Current album.

The new age era of music sucks. Promotion sucks, and the artist suck too. Too many rappers not enough talent and skill. We need real music and not bullshit.

I luv Em. I think he still sells records bcuz he’s crazy talented and you know he works hard to give fans a good album. He still has a hunger that makes u wanna spend ur money and see what he’s gonna say next. It aint about beef, i luv his wit and the crazy ish he be saying. Em dont need beef to sell records, he listens to the fans and then delivers. Plus I like that he’s not on my screen evry two seconds. he takes breaks between albums and lets the fan miss him and anticipate his return. I also like that while he tries new things, he still stays mostly true to why ppl fell in luv with his music in the beginning. I luv the new album and will continue to support real artists.

As far as let downs, Usher need to get bak with u JD like NOW. He has sum okay singles but he aint had those HITS and songs that I luv since confessions. Also monica and brandy who have fell victim to what the label wants vs the fans, mary j blige–her last good solid album to me was share my world, after that its been shaky for me. I think the last album of hers i bought was the mary one. I still luv these artists i just havent likes their most recent albums.

@Alesia Ervin: Tell these niggaz wake the fuck up!! If you look at it, JD has never had a hit song that floped!! Not to be on his dick (pause) but I can’t think of a single that he produced that didn’t do good. I remember when BET had “Making the video” he had about five to six songs on there for about a good month or two. Chingy, Tyrese, Mariah, Bow I think, actually two Chingy records in like three months. “those jeans” and “pulling me back” Hey JD that dude. F what they say.

i love the Tim McGraw album of Taylor Swift, nice songs, nice album~;,

Tim McGraw is one of the best albums of Taylor Swift, love yah taylor’*”